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Moved here as the conversation was off topic.


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Yes I linked the list in my post. Yes a lot of times build advice goes out of date, sometimes quickly. I do my best, when I have time to read up on changes and do a little research before I answer just in case. I have written and scrapped my tank build guide twice now because I have to grind the gear and everything to test out builds, as its not my area of expertise, and something will change. My PVP guide is worse because it costs a fortune and taking me forever to gather all the resources for the build. I should've let you buy that lobi ship for me when you offered. As for all your questions, I think most of those answers are a bit outdated now. With that said, I am here to serve and all this gives me something to do.
Posted Sep 10, 18 · OP · Last edited Sep 10, 18
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well why do u want to spend a fortune and make a guide cant u refer from net ? i mean i dont know whats involved ,,, just my two cents ...
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It's fun. It also helps me as much as it helps you. As for the grind for my 3+ billion EC work in progress PvP ship, it has helped me better understand ship building. It really started as a budget build but it doesn't look possible.
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3 billion ec for a single ship ??? you are kidding me !!!
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A little more, plus zen and dilithium and a crap ton of time. My goal after our T1 PVP tournament was to come up with a guide for cheap PVP build. It was impossible if you want to really compete in the real PVP world. So I set off on a quest to build a ship anyway and the build could be adapted by each individual by trying to put in a cheaper alternative for various pieces I came up with.

I ran into a problem into one problem and that was my ship. My pilot maneuvers will lock out other immunities as well as leave me susceptible to the Competive trait allows an attacker to gain a large amount of armor pen on a target that has used and immunity and I got shredded. Could've been offset by a few high ticket consoles I believe. DPRM console. Way cheaper now at a little over 200 EC I think thanks to the infinity lock box. Dominion Console set. 1.5 billion for the bug ship and i'm guessing probably 500-600 million EC million EC total for the other 2 ships.

Back to the ship, it was recommended to get one with intel seating to run oss. 3,000 zen for the phantom escort or 1.5 billion for the intel bug ship.

Another thing is debuffs being thrown all over. I saw on a video that the DOff Keel'el (FED) was used to clear a debuff when using Emergency Power abilities. 20million EC. I have to change my method of cool down and use AUX to battery Technician: 10 million x2 plus the dilithium to get the 3rd one from the DOFF guy at the Acadamy.

Paid Ship Traits: Honored Dead 2,000,000EC , Shield overload 3,000 zen,. Go for the kill comes off the Bug ship. Invincible 240 millionEC

Paid Space Traits: Good day to Die EC, 10,000,000, Self mod fire 10,000,000

I could really go on but I cant find the paper plate I have the stuff written on. And I'm digging through all my traits trying to remember which ones go on the build I'm working on. I'm only a little over a billion in and really only missing the JemHadar ships which make up the bulk of the price.

You still have to craft or buy your ACCx3 Pen or ACCx4 weapons, preferably disruptor if you are using the synergistic retrofit 2 piece. and buy or craft a Conductive RCS +Res and probably buy an enhanced neutronium or another console with more resistance.

Thankfully there are some free things that go into the build as long as you ran all your events.

If you have the money, Its easy and solves all your problems. I'm grinding it all out slowly.

This is one reason why PvP is dead in this game as it is really pay to win.

I hope that answers your question on how a ship can cost that much. You really don't have to worry about it unless you really want to do PVP seriously. I'm doing it because I have nothing better to do than learn how to build a ships. My piloting is still awful after all these years so I'm still going to get scorched even with an elite build.
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how exactly is 3 b ec cheap build ?? and oh man ur putting so much time into it .... idk what to say buddy ... but the cave next to me is empty .... though i would rather have u playing and being happy instead of doing research like this which would phased out in the six months anyway .... lol ..... but u do what ever that makes you happy rt ? i am hoping so .... so not like what i ended up doing .... crazy robo, pervey bo... i mean dashing mini boss ...say something here.
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It's not really cheap, but as stated you could take the build and sub in cheaper stuff. If you're only PVP'ing with us its not necessary to have a meta PVP build. If you are going out into the wild, you need to raise your game a few levels. As for being happy, if I wasn't I would quit. I rage quit once before (sort of) when I cancelled my subscription and kind of stopped playing. I think I logged in to keep from being booted from the fleet and to get free stuff. I missed an anniversary ship though. I did take 3 days off in a row once from a heavy 6 weeks of grinding and I have taken a night off here and there. Finally, as i'm sure I mentioned before I do this as much for me as I do for you. It's fun whether learning to build, putting trivia contests together, or helping out with George's PVP tournament (not counting my troubles with CLR). Like with all things, there are moments filled with boredom, frustration, and general unfuness, but as long at they don't outweigh the good times, I'm all good. So don't worry about me. I am not in need of a cave yet unless it is filled with half naked orions or any other hot female species.
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I could really go on but I cant find the paper plate I have the stuff written on.....
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maybe you used it to eat something and then threw it away? 😝😁
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Hey Geo, Drax .... what ever guide that will comes up with we should help him get some fame by publishing it... i mean its original stuff .... hes putting money ... sweat and blood into it ...atleast ppl should know what he has done... what do you guys say ? add a section to our public forum with wills guide facing public ? have the searches for guides directed here ?.... may also put some adds there to bring in money to the website ? ... i dont know ... what do you thing. ..... the making money from website part, i was never good at it .. .. you guys have experience with this ?
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Its not really original. I do research other peoples stuff. I experiment, yes. I do not do the STO math. The equations give me a headache. I borrow pieces of other builds. So when i post the pvp guide, it will have references. Oh and I'm not spending real money. I grind. Unless its something i really want within reason. The goal of the guide is basically to pool all the resources out there, tell you why various builds are used, and give you alternatives so you can do your own builds to fit your style. It won't be some great end all be all guide that the world will want to see. See SOB's, Snipeys, or odenknights stuff. Those are the legends. There are guys on sto builds who have forgotten more than i will ever know and they do the real work. I just stick stuff on a ship to see if it works or not.
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